Who said "Iain Gray for First minister?" (Pictured above). The extraordinary results, for a party over half way through its first term in office show the SNP at 40% on the constituency vote, 8 points above Labour and 7 points above the party’s electoral high point in the 2007 elections.
The poll of 980 people conducted between the 27th October and 3rd November shows the SNP at 40% with Labour on 32%, Tories on 13% and Lib Dems on 11.
With the SNP also maintaining an 8 point lead on the regional vote at 37% to Labour’s 29%. If the election was to be held tomorrow these results would give the SNP 54 seats in Holyrood, an increase of 7 including 37 constituency seats – up 16 from 21 in 2007, while Labour fall to a total of 44 seats.
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I have to agree with the SNP that this is an "EXTRAORDINARY POLL" when considering the amount of negative media coverage the party has revived over the past several months on issues such as, Class sizes, The Lockerbie Bomber (2 days to go Niko) GARL and of course the big one, Minimum pricing on alcohol.
Looking at the above issues then the SNP can claim credit for reducing class sizes, acting on Scotland's values for being compassionate, not reducing spending on" vital public services" by ditching GARL and acting on sound " evidence" from the police and top medical officers that minimum alcohol pricing does work.
I don't care what any pro Labour rag spews out because the facts are simple and that is the people of Scotland have great trust for this Scottish Government.
Still, I do have a chuckle to myself at the thought of Iain Gray becoming First Minister!! Aye right!!
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Okay enough about the Holyrood poll and onto a slightly more dampened Westminster poll for the SNP.
Labour - 39%
SNP - 25% (Up 7% on 2005)
Tories - 18%
Lib Dems - 12%
Convener Angus Robertson did try to put a brave face on the Westminster poll and said:
“With the Westminster election all to play for as half of Scots refuse to back Labour and wait to make up their minds the SNP will be out across the country from now to polling day working hard to ensure there is a strong Scottish block of SNP MPs to give Scotland a louder and stronger voice at Westminster."
At Westminster the SNP is well ahead of our 2005 position as the poll shows it is all to play for with 43% of Scots voters in the don’t know or undecided categories.
Okay I do agree there is plenty of votes still up for grabs but I tend to agree with Jeff's view over on SNP Tactical Voting.
"That's the dagger in the heart for Team SNP and deep down, even though they'll fight it tooth and claw, they know that it will hurt them to a certain extent in the end but is also the reason why the Scottish Parliament elections are the key determinant for the party's fortunes."
"It seems the classic 3rd party squeeze is already underway with voters wanting to vote for a winner. Nick Clegg understood it when he repeated his wish to be Prime Minister and Tavish Scott understood it when he suggested he could be First Minister in the aftermath of coalition discussions back in 2007."


37 comments:
Appears the SNP are doing okay in Scotland but having a tough time convincing the electorate that they are relevant for Westminster polls.
amw
What was the poll sample for the UK poll?
The Holyrood poll is very encouraging for the SNP and must have Iain Boris Gray down hearted.
Danny...
Well that is the underlying problem but hopefully with the SNP in power at Holyrood they can now put up a much stronger argument for more SNP MPs
Alan..
lol, I take it you never clicked on my links then??
938 was the sample for the UK and Holyrood elections.
Yes Iain Boris Gray (lol) will have a lot to answer for on Thursday and I call on him to resign.
Brillant story in the Herald just to help everbody out i picked out the best bits..........
voters shun SNP
decline in the SNP vote
honeymoon enjoyed by party leader Alex Salmond with the Scottish electorate may be coming to an end
swing in Westminster intentions is dramatic
The results are a blow not just to SNP prospects
“It is the SNP who have most to be concerned about in these results.
Got what it takes? Polling evidence suggests not
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/salmond-poll-blow-as-voters-shun-snp-1.931344
And dont Forget...VOTE FOR WILLIE BAIN..
he is a winner!
Oh! and stick that with me last comment...Blam!Blam!Blam!
what a day for shooting down amw fox
For Labour to be reduced to only 120 seats on a uniform swing would require a Conservative lead of around about 28 points. With the main pollsters all showing leads in the mid-teens, I would treat any poll showing a Conservative lead of 28 points with extreme scepticism
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2343
Mr Mispelled Myopia
no doubt, being such a slavish endorser of opinion polls, you will wish to dismiss the 60%+ who think, in the weekend's poll, London Labour policy in Afghanistan is deeply misguided?
And you will no doubt accept the massive and increased SNP lead in Scottish Parliament voting intentions in the same poll as being hugely significant?
Mr Callmewhatyoulike says:
'honeymoon enjoyed by party leader Alex Salmond with the Scottish electorate may be coming to an end'
Lucky Alex Salmond is all I can say. None of mine lasted even half the time.
Spooks,
There's someone on the Scotsman thread calling himself Tartan Tory Tango who says that, despite being a Labour supporter, he would rather see a Tory Government than have the union break up. Has Niko changed his moniker, do you know?
It's the prospect of a Tory Govt that is driving people back to Labour for the Westminster poll.
It's primeval - I feel the pull myself, although as I have been de-brainwashed now I can easily resist it.
But that is not reflected in the apparent voting intentions in Scotland. That should make Labour worried. Very worried indeed.
Niko..
Funny you should mention the Herald.
Please read this...
Angus Reid : Labour and SNP both up
The second in the new series of Angus Reid polls for PoliticalBetting.com shows very little change in its Scottish subsample, with Labour slightly extending its lead over the SNP from three to five points. Here are the full figures -
Labour 32% (+3)
SNP 27% (+1)
Conservatives 20% (+1)
Liberal Democrats 11% (-5)
Others 8% (-1)
These figures emerge at the same time as a TNS-BMRB poll showing commanding leads for the SNP of eight points on both the constituency and list votes for Holyrood - a story that the Herald surreally (not to say brazenly) manages to report as "Salmond blow as voters shun SNP"!
http://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2009/11/angus-reid-labour-and-snp-both-up.html
You see that is why people like me do blogs coz you canny trust the pro Labour press.
Sorry Niko but you got owned!!
Oh fuc#, Liverpool 2-1 down.
Niko..
Agrrr I ken all that info about the uniform swing but mind it was Labour themselves that came out with the 120 figure. Now as I said on the Tory Toff blog, what makes the Tory's think they will pick up all the Labour seats? UKIP and the Libs will make gains in 2010 plus the SNP.
brownlie...
Ive not looked at the Scotsman comments for the last few days but it sounds/looks like Nikos style.
Obs..
I agree and hence the reason I wrote that the Labour vote in Scotland (UK Election) will be a protest vote because of the revulsion many Scots have towards the toffs.
Are you sure you have been "de brain washed?" You dont half give me a hard time lol!!
LOL @ amw. Yes I did read your links but I never came across the UK poll sample.
Allan..
Buy some specks Mr H Watt alumni administrator lol..
Another smear from brownlie i see he practises the no evidence based smearing beloved of snp Cybernats.
Angus reid 'with Labour slightly extending its lead over the SNP'
AH! the trend is there.
when all the snp propaganda machine keep saying a different (untrue)story
Vote for willie Bain..you know it makes sense
AMW
Dont tell him but i think George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Is quite mad (doesn't mean he is a bad person though)
Niko..
The point of the Angus Reid poll is that it shows the SNP almost 10% up from 2005 and Labour has nose dived 8% since 2005.
The only propaganda in Scotland is from the pro Labour media, ie the Herald. How can a paper say voters are deserting the SNP when they are miles ahead of Labour in Holyrood and well up on the vote they got in 2005 for the UK election?
I cant believe you fall for such garbage in the media. I don't read Scottish papers to much now, I prefer the more balanced English ones.
George Laird is a national treasure, check my blog list.
Oh Niko...
Labour have dropped significantly on the Betfair line market. They are fast approaching URW’s suggested outcome:
Betfair - Party Seats Line
(URW’s suggested GE outcome in brackets
Con 360-366.5 (362)
Lab 198-205 (194)
LD 51.5-52 (54)
SNP 13-14 (14)
PC 4.5-5.5 (5)
Its all heating up now.
Niko,
For goodness sake, I was only kidding. However, as the subject came up - if you had the casting vote would you vote Tory to save the union in order to preserve the NewLab/Tory hegemony in UK politics?
Brownlie
I would never vote Tory never never never not even to save my own life let alone the 'Union'.
as for hegemony my belief is a well hung parliament would be more beneficial to the united Kingdom.
Because if any party gets a majority it is going to be business as usual.......
which will leave unfinshed business unfinished.
The fluff in Boris' bellybutton has more intellect than Greyman, who barely has enough braincells to keep his ears apart.
How dare you, Spooky, Spooky?!!
Niko..
"as for hegemony my belief is a well hung parliament would be more beneficial to the united Kingdom.
Because if any party gets a majority it is going to be business as usual.......
which will leave unfinshed business unfinished."
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Sorry Niko but I just don't believe you. Why? Because like me you boast when Labour appear to be doing well in the polls like what I do with the SNP and the Toffs.
If Labour were on course for a huge majority at Westminster then you would be shouting (I'm a cheapo shopper all the way down to Asda.)
I only want a huge Tory majority just to make sure Brown and his west central Scotland mafia are well and truly out of power.
But I still ken a huge majority for any party (Including the SNP in Scotland) is bad for democracy.
McPravda..
Well you do have a point but you spelt "Gray" wrong.
Sorry to be pedantic but you will never find spelling errors on this blog lol.
Long time no see Mr FT..uh huh!!!
Well plaid!
Greetings from Newmilns!
the snp will need to explain that the tories are getting in no matter what happens in scotland, so who do they want fighting for them in the trenches? snp or labour when the tories win?
otherwise it is the squeeze on the snp and the squibs, with labour saying vote for us or you get the tories. simplistic but the audience they are aiming it is clearly at that level. same line will be played in england as well. with less effect as the hatred to the tories is endemic in scotland whilst it is not so engrained except in some areas already staunchly labour such as mining communities.
redcliffe62 - Mate the hatred in Scotland and particularly in the west of the country is very deep rooted towards the Conservatives - The average Labour voter in Scotland is very passive 'easily influenced ' when they are told what a vote for the SNP entails.
Up until 2007 I had always voted for Labour because I thought the party's principles were a good match for Scotland - With the subsequent war in Iraq and increase moneys for Trident and a host of other irrational polices, I thought it was time for change and voted SNP in 2007 and I will again next year for the British general election.
Independence is still a bit of a taboo with me but putting that equation to one side then the SNP are doing enough to earn my vote and I believe 15 SNP MPs would do the job of 40 Labour expense riddled so-called socialists out to feather their own nests MPs.
Spookums - Mate this has to be one of the first set of tags on your blogsite where almost everyone has stuck to the emphasis.
I would argue that it is NOT an underlying problem since the SNPs future does not lie in Westminster anyway. In case, as today's Populas poll indicates, the Tories get a thin majority a bloc of SNP votes would be nice--but it's not the real issue. It isn't where its fortunes will play out.
What the SNP needs is a majority or at least close to a majority at Holyrood which will show that Scots do indeed want a referendum (and very possibly independence) and will ensure that it happens.
None of that will EVER happen at Westminster.
The fact is that the emphasis on Westminster is just a left-over "Britain is what really counts" bit of Scottish cringe. Once Scots realize that their government is at Holyrood that is where the REAL game will be played.
Niko,
That being the case and your Labour party being a lost cause for now it's time for you to bite the bullet and let common-sense dictate your vote. Perhaps, post independence, your Labour party in Scotland will revert to the principles and policies that they were created to carry out.
Redcliffe..
I agree with you. The target audience has it embedded that a vote for the SNP wil let the Tory party in. You right, the SNP have to explain to voters that even if every person in Scotland voted SNP, Lib or Labour then the Tory's will still get in.
Well maybe in the case of the SNP is could be curtains for the UK if they won all of Scotlands MP's.
Its that vote Labour mindset coz ma maw ma paw and the dug voted for them then I have to vote for them.
Bird of Prey..
"Independence is still a bit of a taboo with me but putting that equation to one side then the SNP are doing enough to earn my vote and I believe 15 SNP MPs would do the job of 40 Labour expense riddled so-called socialists out to feather their own nests MPs."
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Your speaking with forked tongue you flying rodent. Just the other night you were saying independence was sold to you on the basis the UK's debt??
Tube..
Jeanne Tomlin...
Great points you make and fair enough the SNP's playing field has to be Holyrood in Edinburgh where as you say they can ultimately win independence.
However I do think a strong group of SNP Mp's in Westminster is very important even with a huge Tory majority because every time Cameron looks up towards the SNP in the chamber he will be reminded that his union is just not as sound as he would like it to be and therefore not treat the Scots with contempt.
Bird of Prey actually makes a good point that 15 or so SNP members would do a better job than 40 Labour MP's. It was the 11 SNP MP.s that were voted in in the 70;s that helped push devolution back onto the agenda.
brownlie...
Maybe so but the thought of Labour in power in Scotland post independence would make me sick. Honestly any morality that lot have has gone right down the Clyde.
They would have everyone working in they huge nauseating public owned office blocks pushing pens and singing..
"We are all happy happy happy 9 to 5 adjudicators for lefties on the Clyde"
NO thank you :)
Spooks,
I know this is your blog but when I want a Tory's opinion I'll ask for it, hee hee! I was asking the Prime Minister's handwriting and spelling tutor, the erudite Niko.
brownlie...
I ken I ken but you ken me, I will do anything thing for a slaver, even if its answering Nikos answer for him.. :)
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